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Big Black

Paragliding site · United States

Launch altitude
1,170 m
Level
Intermediate+
Best season
Landing
NNEESESSWWNW

Works on S · SW · W · NW

Where it is

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Big Black sits inside California's Cleveland National Forest, north-east of San Diego, and is one of the more access-sensitive sites in the region. After years of work with the Palomar Ranger District, the local club regained access under a Special Use Permit — which means every flight here comes with community-wide responsibility. Membership in the San Diego Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association is required to unlock the gate to launch, and the only permitted landing is the tight, obstacle-heavy Cross-Roads LZ up on the mountain, not the valley below. Launch itself is a small cutout between pines: tricky for paragliders, workable for hang gliders. The Forest Service allows no site maintenance from 1 February to 31 May — do not pull weeds unless a ranger is present or you have prior authorisation.

Launch & conditions

Small cutout between trees — launch can be tricky for paragliders (nested in pines) but okay for hang gliders. Site is under a Special Use Permit.

Getting there & local rules

Gate access to launch requires SDHGPA membership — ask the San Diego club for permission first. From San Diego North County or further north: from I-15, take Highway 78 East to West Haverford Road (east again), then Pamo Road (north). Park up the road from the Cross-Roads rather than at the Cross-Roads itself — the Cross-Roads IS the LZ and is small and obstacle-rich even without cars.

Local rules & hazards

Landing is permitted only in the Cross-Roads LZ — landing in the valley below the mountain is forbidden (still under negotiation). The LZ is not visible from launch but is an okay glide with modern gliders — save it as a waypoint before takeoff. It's roughly 150 ft × 200 ft, uneven, cut into foothills, and requires solid intermediate (P3) approach and non-coastal spot-landing skills. No site maintenance from 1 February to 31 May — do not pull weeds without Forest Service personnel present or prior authorisation, per Special Use Permit conditions.

Check conditions before you fly

A forecast for the valley is not a forecast for the launch. Before heading to Big Black, read the wind and thermals for the site itself, confirm the day's rules with the local club, and remember the standing rule — when in doubt, don't launch. In the free OutDare app you can open Big Black with a 7-day forecast built from high-resolution weather models, see who else has been flying, and get there with offline maps.

Conditions right now

Live — the same sources the OutDare app uses

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Is it usually flyable?

Set your wing's wind range once — the live 7-day outlook and the last 12 months both answer for Big Black.

Your flyable wind range

Surface wind (10 m) in km/h — the same number you read on any forecast.

The 7-day outlook and the 12-month history below both update to your range.

7-day wind outlook

High-resolution models — the same OutDare uses.

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Over the last 12 months

75% of days flyable

272 of 365 days had a dry 2-hour+ window in your range, from a direction this site flies

Best month

May · 100%

Flyable days by month

26%
J
61%
F
74%
M
93%
A
100%
M
100%
J
100%
J
94%
A
93%
S
77%
O
47%
N
29%
D

A day counts as flyable when the surface wind held in your range, from a direction the site flies, with no rain, for at least 2 hours in a row (08:00–20:00) — from hourly 10 m wind over the last 12 months. A seasonal wind guide only: it can't judge gusts, thermals or turbulence, and never replaces the live forecast, airspace checks and your own judgement.

Nearby flying sites

Site facts from the OutDare flying-site database. Always verify current access and regulations with the local club before flying.